10/28/2019 Model Holton Collegiate
Whereas Conn mass-produced Conn 6Ms for 30+ years, comparatively few Holton 232s were manufactured before Holton shifted their focus onto student/intermediate instruments like the Holton Collegiate.” Another reference to the Holton Model 232 HERE, which describes it in glowing terms. For the first two years, business was tight and Holton would spend evenings. A complete line of school grade instruments under the Holton Collegiate name.
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Does anyone known where to find info on the Model Numbers that Holton used ex: 230, 232, 566, 666, etc. And how to correctly identify model number with model type? Was the 232 a Revelation or a Stratodyne. What was the Model 566 and 666 were they both Collegiate model types?Model Types, Years and Serial Numbers:Holton - Chicago Years:1915-1918 Serials: 1-2000Holton - Elkhorn Years:1918-1925 Serials: 1201-18499Holton - Rudy Weidoeft Years:1925-1932 Serials: 0Holton - Revelation Years:1925-1980 Serials: 35Holton - Collegiate Years: 1932-1979 Serials: 135Holton - Stratodyne Years:1948-1958 Serials: 199source:anyone have a list like the above list for model numbers, years, etc.? Aside from the early models (Beauforts and early Revelations) without a model number, the number will be stamped right above the serial number.
We then correlate those with old ads in many cases (i.e., the 234/Stratodyne). The 566/666 (altos) and 576 (tenors) were indeed Collegiates-they will have a large 'Collegiate' engraving on the bell. There were older Collegiates too, very similar to the 'Revelations' (Revelations are usually called 'Elkhorns' by non Holton folks, as that's all that's really engraved on them, other than a design.) Those Collegiates will also be clearly marked by engraving on the bell. A lot of the numbered models were just identified by their number, as far as I know, aside from the kinda rare 400-series horns (the alto is a 465, the Bari is a 480) which did have a name, the 'Ideal'. Their engraving was sometimes a large globe. You don't see a lot of those.Here's a 666-pretty rare-even with the fancy silver and copper metal, still marked 'Collegiate'weird and rare models: Reso-tones-search the Holton section-some good info and pics in there. Jazzbug has a 214 Tenor, and there's pics of a couple 204 altos.
These are very ornate and have a ring around the bell edge.Note: there seems to be a lot of overlap in some models. For example, 232 (right side bell keys) and 233 (left side bell keys) were apparently were made at the same time. I think the Resotones were also made at the same time as 203/213/215s (Revelations when they gained model numbers).I haven't seen a list as you have laid out, but member LaPorte posted an accurate serial number list.
The serial numbers, combined with pics of specific horns and their respective numbers (especially in the 'Modern Vintage Holton' thread give a pretty good idea when theses horns were made.I haven't see any numerical designation for Rudy Wiedoefts, but Rudy's (unless transitional models) are also clearly engraved as such. Those catalogs on saxophone.org were great to see. (Now I want a 244 Stratodyne Tenor and 271 Bari more than ever!)Also, there are more Baris-I've seen (and uploaded) pics of a 274, and I think also a 273.Lastly the 204 alto and 214 Tenor were 'Resotones'-extremely fancy and premium early hornsThank you for the additional information.Geauxsax, I am assuming the Baritone 273 and 274 are Revelation's can you confirm this please? I have never heard of a Holton Resotone do you know what years they were made and if they are stencils like the Beaufort Models? I know from the catalogs that the 214 is actual a Revelation Baritone would Holton have used the same number on two different saxophones? Pages 8 and 9 of the 'Modern Vintage Holtons' thread have 270, 273, and 274 baris.
There's a 480 (460?) 'Ideal' Bari in there somewhere as well.4XX series was termed the 'Ideal' Not sure if the other ones were Revelations or not-it was a generic term used by Holton for most of their saxes-engraved occasionally, but more often not.Lastly, I've never seen model numbers on any C melodies or sopranos. They may have carried internal numeric designations at the company and in catalogs, but I think both types died out right around the time Holton started stamping model numbers near the serial numbers. I'm not sure all those model numbers listed were used-no proof, just a hunch.Here's a good link on Resotones. Note some confusion as Jazzbug originally thought the stamp was 244 instead of 214.all the model numbers I listed with the exception of the Resotone 204 Alto, and the Baritones 273, 274, and 480 that you provided came from the Holton catalogs and price lists found at:Would Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually use them? That would make tracking models very confusing.:(Ok, I have three new questions:Did Holton actual repeat model numbers with the model 214 was it used for the Res-o-tone Tenor as well as a the Revelation Baritone?Did Holton stamp the model number on ever saxophone produced that had a model number assigned in a catalog or price list?Did Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually sell these models to the public?At the moment these are questions that I am not sure how to find the answers too. Any ideas on how to resolve these questions?
Geauxsax, all the model numbers I listed with the exception of the Resotone 204 Alto, and the Baritones 273, 274, and 480 that you provided came from the Holton catalogs and price lists found at:Would Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually use them? That would make tracking models very confusing.:(Ok, I have three new questions:Did Holton actual repeat model numbers with the model 214 was it used for the Res-o-tone Tenor as well as a the Revelation Baritone?Did Holton stamp the model number on ever saxophone produced that had a model number assigned in a catalog or price list?Did Holton list model numbers in their catalogs and price lists and then not actually sell these models to the public?At the moment these are questions that I am not sure how to find the answers too. Any ideas on how to resolve these questions?Holton made many horns without model numbers-the cut off seems to be in the early 1930s. For example, my Revelation Tenor doesn't have a model number stamped, nor does it even say Revelation (just the usual floral design and Elkhorn). Also, I've never seen or heard of a Rudy, or any soprano or C-Melody carrying a model number. They were simply made before Holton started stamping them, best I can tell.
There may have been a 214 Baritone-maybe it was the unstamped Revelation bari that preceded the 215. If that's the case, then they recycled the number. In my mind, if they weren't stamped, then I don't refer to them by model number. Really, the only possibilities before numbers anyway were Revelations, Collegiates, Rudy Wiedoefts, and earlier Beauforts from what I know, with the term Revelation blanketing nearly the entire line.My guess is that before Holton started stamping the numbers, they were just internal company designations, or for catalog ordering purposes. It also wouldn't surprise me if the catalogs had some wrong, or listed numbers that never actually got built.
Geauxsax, do you have info on the Holton Ideal model numbers for Soprano, Alto, Tenor, etc.?Not sure if they made an ideal sop-sops stopped being made early in the depression by many manufacturers.Bari seems to be the 480, tenor either a 472 or 475. Looking for the alto model number now (wanna say it's a 465), but here's a fantastic specimen on ebay (not mine):(page 9 posts 172, 173): https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?48586-quot-Modern-quot-Vintage-Holtons/page9. Not sure if they made an ideal sop-sops stopped being made early in the depression by many manufacturers.Bari seems to be the 480, tenor either a 472 or 475.
Looking for the alto model number now (wanna say it's a 465), but here's a fantastic specimen on ebay (not mine):(page 9 posts 172, 173): is an Holton Ideal Alto on ebay that shows the model number (465) clearly.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Holton-Ideal-Saxophone-N4085-/12?hash=item25b1605a20:g:T4QAAOSwEgVWSiru. Here is an interesting Alto Collegiate on ebay, notice the beveled tone holes. So could this be a Holton Stencil built by Couturier or Martin or Lyon & Healy after they bought out Couturier in 1923? Alternatively this could be one of the Saxophones produce at the old Lyon & Healy/Couturier plant after Holton bought the Lyon & Healy Band Instruments Division in 1928 and before they shut down the plant in 1929/1930. Or I could be all wet and this could be something complete different. Anyhow any thoughts on who made this Holton and when?
With the serial number 39741 I find it hard to believe that this was produced in 1917 as advertised on the ebay auction.73225http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Holton-Alto-Sax-/23?hash=item280d145ccb:g:XboAAOSwnipWYF6m. There's an older and incorrect Holton serial number chart floating around that doesn't work with saxophones-that's why you see weird dates from before Holton could have possibly made the horns. We have a correct one posted somewhere here in the Holton section.
Felix (Member LaPorte) posted it.Based on the Holton Saxophone serial numbers listed at the websites listed below there is no way that serial number 39741 was produced in 1917.http://vintage.saxontheweb.net/Holton.htmlhttp://www.saxophone.org/museum/saxophones/manufacturer/54. Here is an interesting Alto Collegiate on ebay, notice the beveled tone holes. So could this be a Holton Stencil built by Couturier or Martin or Lyon & Healy after they bought out Couturier in 1923? Alternatively this could be one of the Saxophones produce at the old Lyon & Healy/Couturier plant after Holton bought the Lyon & Healy Band Instruments Division in 1928 and before they shut down the plant in 1929/1930. Or I could be all wet and this could be something complete different. Anyhow any thoughts on who made this Holton and when?
With the serial number 39741 I find it hard to believe that this was produced in 1917 as advertised on the ebay auction.73225is another Alto Collegiate on ebay of the same style that has a slightly lower serial number 6http://www.ebay.com/itm/Holton-Collegiate-Silver-Alto-Sax-NO-RESERVE-/52?hash=item235e0fb1ec:g:0jcAAOSwxN5WXfQ7. Just acquired a Holton alto. Lots of good information to work with here. So here’s my question just to qualify everything I’ve read. It’s an alto with no pearls.
Silver plate,Chicago under the name on the Bell.and SN# 5xxx. Looking at the way the last digit is struck on the serial number I’m willing to bet it was put there sometime in the 30s to off the piece is a more modern unit. What I’m looking at I assume would be under serial number 600 or 1917 made in Chicago. 5xxAnyone have some light to put on this?
Serial #5xxx would make it a late 1922 Elkhart build. From information I gathered on this thread mid 1918 and SN#1200 is end of line for Chicago built horns. The Reason I’m reaching out is to qualify that you cannot have a 5xxx number and Chicago made horn? I’m betting the last digit was added later in life.This is not quite correct. Serial #5xxx dates to 1920, not 1922. Also, the comment in the serial number chart about #1200 being the highest Chicago serial number is out of date.
Read through the Holton serial number registry thread and you will see that there are Chicago made Holtons with 5xxx serial numbers, including one of mine. Mine is #5565, and it has pearl key touches. I also have #1362 which has metal key touches. What's the serial # on yours, and can you post a pic?In short, serial #5xxx and Chicago definitely exists. The only possibly suspicious thing is the metal key touches, but I have not seen any info on at which number they went from metal to pearl - your horn might actually help narrow the window for that if the serial number is unmodified.
The last update to the early serial number post (by LaPorte, the same person who made the serial number list) was on page 37 of the registry thread, post #732.shows that saxes were made in Chicago in early 1920, and that the earliest known Elkhorn serial number is 5881. (The post does not include mine as I did not add them to the registry until later, and the early serials post was never updated after that. Clearly, he also never updated the comments to the serial number list to reflect the information in post 732.). The last update to the early serial number post (by LaPorte, the same person who made the serial number list) was on page 37 of the registry thread, post #732.It shows that saxes were made in Chicago in early 1920, and that the earliest known Elkhorn serial number is 5881.Clearly, he also never updated the comments to the serial number list to reflect the information in post 732.)LaPorte’s research and serial number charts are the only things Holton researchers should be looking at. Any other serial number lists are inaccurate.
Unfortunately, the inaccurate lists are the ones that show up when people do a Google search. Thank you gentlemen. Will read up on the information you provided later in the day. For the moment here’s something to work with #5456 Metal keys and Chicago under their name. The six appears to be double struck compared to the 545.
There is no letter above the serial number like a melody C would have. Below the serial number is L.P. Just like that not spelled out low pitch.On the upper register, above the B key there is a key (hi F?) running vertically in the shape of a palm key.It measures 22 inches like an alto should. From the patina on the neck and the design matching the horn I would say it is original and alto configuration. Sadly there is no number struck on it.I have pictures.
I’m also new to the form and having a senior moment. Can’t figure out how to post them. Also my delayed reply is related to not knowing how to have replies sent to my email or username. I keep having to dig through the form activity list to follow up. All this and I bought my first horn less than a year ago at a yard sale.
Yes I have vigorously been learning and your help is greatly appreciated. The last update to the early serial number post (by LaPorte, the same person who made the serial number list) was on page 37 of the registry thread, post #732.shows that saxes were made in Chicago in early 1920, and that the earliest known Elkhorn serial number is 5881. (The post does not include mine as I did not add them to the registry until later, and the early serials post was never updated after that. Clearly, he also never updated the comments to the serial number list to reflect the information in post 732.)Your comment is dead-on. The update of the serial-number list was on my agenda at that time.
Thank you gentlemen. Will read up on the information you provided later in the day. For the moment here’s something to work with #5456 Metal keys and Chicago under their name. The six appears to be double struck compared to the 545.
There is no letter above the serial number like a melody C would have. Below the serial number is L.P.
Just like that not spelled out low pitch.On the upper register, above the B key there is a key (hi F?) running vertically in the shape of a palm key.It measures 22 inches like an alto should. From the patina on the neck and the design matching the horn I would say it is original and alto configuration.
Sadly there is no number struck on it.I have pictures. I’m also new to the form and having a senior moment. Can’t figure out how to post them. Also my delayed reply is related to not knowing how to have replies sent to my email or username. I keep having to dig through the form activity list to follow up. All this and I bought my first horn less than a year ago at a yard sale.
Yes I have vigorously been learning and your help is greatly appreciated.Referring to LaPorte's post #732 in the registry thread, your #5456 is the earliest recorded 5xxx serial number. My #1362 is the highest recorded 1xxx serial number, and there are no (known) 2xxx-4xxx serial numbers. Therefore, yours having metal key touches is certainly plausible. It would thus indicate that Holton began using pearl key touches somewhere between #s 5456 and 5565. I would not be particularly concerned about the last digit being double struck - things like that happened.
I have a Kohlert where the last digit is a 5 struck over a 4. My #5565 has Bb marked above the serial number; I do not recall if #1362 does or not - I have a vague recollection that it might not - but it's not readily accessible so I'd have to dig it out of storage (it's a project horn) to check when I have the time. The neck not having a serial number stamped on it is normal, as is the L.P.
Stamp under the serial number. The metal teardrop front high F key is a feature of the early Holtons that is noteworthy for the fact that most other saxes made at that time did not have a front high F.
My feeling is you do have a 1920 Chicago Holton, and a quite interesting find.To follow up on the thread, go to the Holton subforum under '(Saxophone) Makes and Models' - threads with new posts are at the top of the first page right under the 'stickys'. Referring to LaPorte's post #732 in the registry thread, your #5456 is the earliest recorded 5xxx serial number. My #1362 is the highest recorded 1xxx serial number, and there are no (known) 2xxx-4xxx serial numbers. Therefore, yours having metal key touches is certainly plausible. It would thus indicate that Holton began using pearl key touches somewhere between #s 5456 and 5565.
I would not be particularly concerned about the last digit being double struck - things like that happened. I have a Kohlert where the last digit is a 5 struck over a 4. My #5565 has Bb marked above the serial number; I do not recall if #1362 does or not - I have a vague recollection that it might not - but it's not readily accessible so I'd have to dig it out of storage (it's a project horn) to check when I have the time.
The neck not having a serial number stamped on it is normal, as is the L.P. Stamp under the serial number.
The metal teardrop front high F key is a feature of the early Holtons that is noteworthy for the fact that most other saxes made at that time did not have a front high F. My feeling is you do have a 1920 Chicago Holton, and a quite interesting find.To follow up on the thread, go to the Holton subforum under '(Saxophone) Makes and Models' - threads with new posts are at the top of the first page right under the 'stickys'.Thanks for the reply, I’m now plugged into the thread. Haven’t used much PC since the mid 90s. So I’m a technically challenged old fart. I love my iMac! Along with 100-year-old saxophone LOL. Looking for a place to load pictures for all to see.
Key layout is almost exact to the one listed on eBay. Keeping in mind that’s a tenor. Also the engraving on the bell is a match.Yes I do agree that’s a low # on LaPorte’s list. I hope this adds some historical input to the archive and motivates him to update the list. Archiving is a slow and patience process often frustrating.
I have also seen a brief of information from Felix. It may have been correct at the time but other information has been gathered sense that list was put together obviously. Anyone have suggestion as to where to read some good historical information that’s reasonably accurate? Like is this model one-proGo ya ya??FYI, A light cleaning of tone holes and pads a little oiling, was able to play it. Well let’s say make some noise LOL ? more leaks than the Titanic and pads older than your great grandmother. Was fun just to give it a go ???. The Holton subforum here on SOTW is the best place for such information that I know of.
Start with the registry thread. It's long, but full of good information.Thanks for the suggestion. I have been digging on that thread. That’s how I accessed the information from Felix that is inaccurate/ out dated. Although there’s a cash of great information too.
All part of the vintage/collecting side of all things Sax. What is it????
Has anyone been able to view the pictures I posted? Had some challenges getting pictures to post, two still not up.Figured out how to attach pictures here?. Just to clarify, the vast majority of LaPorte's information remains accurate - it's just the serial number list that could use a minor update or two based on horns that have turned up since the list was published.
I have seen the pictures, but I'm not clear on what you are asking - what model is it? If so, it's what has been called a Revelation Ia in the registry thread, which is the first model of sax Holton made.Thanks for the reply much appreciated! Good to know that Mr. LaPorte’s information remains accurate. That’s wonderful that everyone here is participating and trying to submit something of worth if not debate for historical record. We’re still learning about the pyramids and they’ve only been around a couple thousand years. New information will come, it’s all part of the process.
I’m still reading the 850 + post on the Holton serial number registry thread. I’m not lazy that’s just a lot of reading. Researching the blogs is an art in itself. The camaraderie and the help from the community is really cool here.I’m thrilled to know my alto is called a “Revelation”.
(Ia?) sorry I wasn’t exactly clear on how I presented the question.”what is it” i’ll admit I did a pretty poor job on that one. Initially I came to this thread because it was about the model number to the model type.If the members gathering the serial number information would like me to post it on other thread please let me know.Sincerely, ?.
If the members gathering the serial number information would like me to post it on other thread please let me know.You are welcome to but it's not as necessary as it was. I started the Serial number Registry thread because there wasn't much reliable info about Holton saxes online.
(There is however a lot of info about Holton trumpets and bones). But Felix (aka LaPorte) took the info from the Registry thread and created the serial number list we now use. He also figured out the interesting Couturier brand connection. SoybeanUnderstanding the relationships between everyone I will not make a redundant post on registry thread.Felix a.k.a.
LaPorte has some noteworthy accomplishments to the research history of Holton. Thank you both for making this a interesting ongoing historical research project. And not to leave anyone out I appreciate the communities input as well.For my own sanity and a little clarity the picture I’m attaching is the registry you are referring to on the serial numbers. This is what saxopender mentioning needs updating.166441. I'm no Holton expert but in my opinion that 6 is original.
It is exactly the same type face as the other numbers. It looks like it was a mis-strike and the second time they really struck it good and hard to stand out from the mis-strike.Thanks for the response.
Yes I do understand that it’s the same type face. I’ve worked in the printing industry for almost 40 years. As a hobbyist vintage watch restoration. Never seen a craftsman ever make a mistake on a number. I also sideline restoring vintage motorcycles.
Needless to say a year doesn’t go by without some funny numbers on frames or engines appearing. And is the main reason I question the striking of the number six on this horn. I’m asking the keepers of Holton to take a good look. I’m not exactly convinced the factory would’ve made such a rookie mistake.
The number is not struck at the same level and is struck twice and trying to cover the other indicating a possible rookie mistake.It’s always bothered me not knowing exactly what it is I own. I agree with pontius - the last digit was mis-struck on the first attempt, so they re-struck it. Things like that happened quite regularly - as I said earlier, I have an old Kohlert where they struck the last digit as a 4, apparently as a mistake having already used that number on the previous horn, so they just pounded a 5 over it so they wouldn't have two horns with the same serial number. On the other hand, I have not heard of a manufacturer adding an extra digit to an old horn to make it seem newer.
You originally thought that because you believed Chicago Holtons with 5xxx serial numbers did not exist. I have provided you links to information here that they do. I see no basis for concluding the last digit was added later, and I think you can rest easy that your serial number is 5456, not 545.In the registry thread, page 29 (post 574, there are links to pictures of alto # 5483. They're not great, but maybe you can find something helpful in them.As for the model name, what 'inconsistent information' are you referring to?
If you read the serial number registry thread, 'Revelation' is the only model name Holton used at that time for saxes. @ Saxophender,Thanks for the reply, always nice to have extra pair of eyes looking. Can’t believe I missed that link to the loyalist.more to read?.So much history and I’m still studying this thread below too.
Searching SOTW has been challenging for me.the #’s, yes factory could have done this. You have qualified that has happened. I have also known #’s to have been altered in hard times to make products appear newer.in 1930 a extra 6 could feed you well on that extra $5. I was thinking used not at factory.
Looked at the pics in post #574. Had not reached that far in reading thread. Good to see,but no pic of sn#?.RE; Revelation name. Outside the form it’s amazing how much inconsistent or lacking the information is. Many have not updated for years.
I’m still standing with LaPorte. Just disappointed on others.Here is one example of date and use of name. Ok say I’m the nubie.multiple sourced information website. Seems reasonable.
Given all I have to work with is sn# what would be your call? I’m one to consider everybody Honorable.review post #9 in this thread for me. Think, model name,dates and Chicago. Yea I’m confused ?I’m thinking my horn is from Chicago and 1917 from LaPorte’s post in Holton Saxophone Serial number registry #578. The sn# fits. LaPorte has thoroughly researched the history of Holton and provided us with documentary evidence of his conclusions.
To the extent information on other websites, not supported by such research or evidence, conflicts with LaPorte's findings, I will put my money on LaPorte's findings. While saxophone.org has some useful information, I would not count on it being completely accurate. I haven't spent a lot of time on that site, so I don't know where they get their information.The dates in post 9 in this thread may not be exactly correct.I think your sax is from 1920, based on LaPorte's serial number list. Please note the following quote from LaPorte in post 578 of the registry thread:'Ca. The first two years (1918/1919) no saxophones wereproduced in Elkhorn. Tooling remained in Chicago.Many people employed were needed in Elkhorn to do new jobs.While the factory in Elkhorn was prepared for civilpurposes only (probably early in 1920) the production ofsaxophones continued initially in Chicago later in Elkhorn.'
In reading the registry thread, keep in my mind it is an ongoing process - with conclusions being revised as new information is discovered. Until you have read, and digested, the whole thing, as well as other pertinent threads in the Holton subforum, it is probably too early for you to reach any firm conclusions.
I have read through all this stuff several times, and have not found any demonstrably reliable information on other sites to contradict the info found here. It is good that you are doing reasearch and questioning what you find.
Having already done that myself, I have agreed with others here that LaPorte's information is the most accurate available. @ Saxophender. Yes, I do agree LaPorte has supported his findings where others have not. I have read over everything?
(SOTW) now at least once. Including the Loyalist site.And you know other sites as well. History is always a ongoing experience.Question, is the loyalist accurate?The name use “Revelation “ pre 1923 still not clear anywhere.? you have reference?“No sax made 1918-1919”. Can’t find LaPorte’s source. Loyalist has history timeline @ April 1918 moving into Elkhart factory,sourced from news paper. That transition era 1917-1918 keeps messing with my head.
How can it be 1920 and Chicago? NOS?Heres another.Lyon & Healey American professional, Mel C, brass finish,no high F,no pearls, 63xxx. Worth investigating to buy?Thanks for your support ?. LaPorte has thoroughly researched the history of Holton and provided us with documentary evidence of his conclusions.
To the extent information on other websites, not supported by such research or evidence, conflicts with LaPorte's findings, I will put my money on LaPorte's findings. While saxophone.org has some useful information, I would not count on it being completely accurate.
I haven't spent a lot of time on that site, so I don't know where they get their information.The dates in post 9 in this thread may not be exactly correct.I think your sax is from 1920, based on LaPorte's serial number list. Please note the following quote from LaPorte in post 578 of the registry thread:'Ca. The first two years (1918/1919) no saxophones wereproduced in Elkhorn. Tooling remained in Chicago.Many people employed were needed in Elkhorn to do new jobs.While the factory in Elkhorn was prepared for civilpurposes only (probably early in 1920) the production ofsaxophones continued initially in Chicago later in Elkhorn.' In reading the registry thread, keep in my mind it is an ongoing process - with conclusions being revised as new information is discovered.
Until you have read, and digested, the whole thing, as well as other pertinent threads in the Holton subforum, it is probably too early for you to reach any firm conclusions. I have read through all this stuff several times, and have not found any demonstrably reliable information on other sites to contradict the info found here. It is good that you are doing reasearch and questioning what you find. Having already done that myself, I have agreed with others here that LaPorte's information is the most accurate available.Still reading. Still learning.
Took your advice. And a couple weeks off the thread.I can’t Believe how much effort has been put in to the information that has been documented.
Largely from the way the threads work it makes it extremely challenging to retain the information accurately and make sense. Your comment about my sax being made in 1920 I think is spot on.
Information is making more sense now. It just takes a couple times of reading all of it to stick.I personally went into the music trade magazine archives of 100 years ago and started digging to see if I could find something. I can’t imagine how many hours Felix spent looking over those articles not to mention English is not his native language. It’s obvious the man is very passionate. I have no doubt that Felix is the formost authority on these makers.Back to studying ?.
Hi All -New to the Forum, but had to join because there's obviously a great deal of knowledge here. I'm in my early thirties and have owned a Holton Bari Sax since I was in high school, so 15 or so years. I've been reading through the threads and it seems my bari is a bit nonconforming to the model number/serial number convention documented by the posters here.My sax reads 'Frank Holton, Elkhorn Wis' on the bell.
The serial number appears to be 2766X (best guess is 27660), with LP centered under its arch. No discernable model number anywhere.
I've attached some (fairly poor) photos and will take some better ones when I get a non-rainy day.My questions are - what model do you all think this is? Am I misinterpreting the serial number convention? The numbering says from some lists that it should be a 1916 or 17 build, but that would be Chicago, no?Last thing of note - This thing does in fact play, and it plays wonderfully. Perhaps it's the fact we've grown up together (well, granted, it has a few years on me), and I have put money into it over the years to keep it playing, but it does have surprisingly great intonation, especially on the high notes. I'm considering getting a significantly more modern bari (out of want for a low A), but I'm quite torn as to keeping this or selling for a 'down payment'. You all seem to be Holton lovers - what would you do?I can't wait to hear your insights - in advance, thank you!
Hi All -New to the Forum, but had to join because there's obviously a great deal of knowledge here. I'm in my early thirties and have owned a Holton Bari Sax since I was in high school, so 15 or so years. I've been reading through the threads and it seems my bari is a bit nonconforming to the model number/serial number convention documented by the posters here.My sax reads 'Frank Holton, Elkhorn Wis' on the bell. The serial number appears to be 2766X (best guess is 27660), with LP centered under its arch. No discernable model number anywhere. I've attached some (fairly poor) photos and will take some better ones when I get a non-rainy day.My questions are - what model do you all think this is?
Am I misinterpreting the serial number convention? The numbering says from some lists that it should be a 1916 or 17 build, but that would be Chicago, no?Last thing of note - This thing does in fact play, and it plays wonderfully. Perhaps it's the fact we've grown up together (well, granted, it has a few years on me), and I have put money into it over the years to keep it playing, but it does have surprisingly great intonation, especially on the high notes. I'm considering getting a significantly more modern bari (out of want for a low A), but I'm quite torn as to keeping this or selling for a 'down payment'. You all seem to be Holton lovers - what would you do?I can't wait to hear your insights - in advance, thank you!Dear Guest, I have no idea how this posting showed up today 4-24-18? If you have not traded the horn.
I recommend keeping it. Not very common and quite a nice instrument. I highly doubt that your instrument was made in Chicago as I have experienced similar issues with the dating. This attached link from Felix as being the most accurate and dependable serial number list.
Which I also have found to be true. Use no others!and study this thread for more information on this subject.https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?70892-Holton-Saxophone-Serial-number-registry.
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